Simplify the Chaos: ADHD, Habits & Systems That Actually Work for Coaches with Erin Vogt
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Erin is on a mission to help A DHD entrepreneurs reclaim their time, energy, and sanity As a coach, social worker and chaos simplifier, she gives women the tools to break free from overwhelm, build confidence boosting systems, and finally create the clarity and momentum that they crave.
If you've gone through any transitions or challenges in your business, or if you're a parent like myself, you're gonna want to pay attention to this interview. Aaron, welcome to this conversation.
Erin Vogt: Thanks very much, so much for having me, Norbert.
Norbert Orlewicz: It, it's so great to have you here. Um, Aaron, I, I, I've always like starting the conversation with kind of a thought provoking question to get the conversation started. So. Coaching is all about transformation. I talk about that all the time. It's about creating a result, an outcome, and a transformation for our clients. So what's been your most life-changing, impactful transformation? And I'm sure it probably wasn't just one. So feel free to share with us your journey of transformation.
Erin Vogt: Uh, such a great question. You know, um, number of life events, uh, led to this. Uh, you mentioned that I was a social worker. One of the biggest things for me was getting out of the nonprofit sector and into business was a big one. And ironically I chose that after going on a stress leave in December of 2019.
We all know what happened in March of 2020, so I. Took a stand for myself, uh, during the crazy lockdown times and when the economy was crashing.
Had a conversation with my husband and was like, you know, we've done a lot for your career, and I think it's my time to step into what I, I wanna do. And in terms of transition, that was one thing, but it definitely became a transformation in every aspect of our life.
I mean, I was home every day, obviously. Stuck in lockdowns, but you know, kids are home as well. And so trying to homeschool that, whole process and then doing online schooling, starting a business, learning about marketing and promotion and business, and making so many hundreds of mistakes and imposter syndrome.
Uh, I would say some of the biggest transformations I've. Gone through have to do with, um, my physical health. Uh, it's funny, in my forties I made a decision that I was gonna become a gym rat and I'm not gonna, you know, regret not sweating before my showers. That was one thing I always thought was like, I'm not consistent.
I really wanna be consistent. And so yeah, I, I have a 5:30 AM gym habit. Hasn't been as amazing the last season, but I've also given myself some grace around it. So for over two and a half years, that was one thing I did. I did start with workouts on Zoom, though. I. Um, with a trainer because couldn't go to the gym.
And, um, when you're committed to something like that, it transforms not only your mindset around it, but what you're capable of, right? And so I'm like, okay, if I can handle these box jumps and these crazy bures and, and pushups and circuits, and even running the track, which I hadn't even done since high school when I played rugby, was like.
What else can I do? What can I do in my business? You know, how can I show up for myself and show up even more intensely for my clients, for my family? Um, so it's really transformed a lot for me, just in the, that element of what's possible.
Norbert Orlewicz: That's a huge transition from social worker to entrepreneur. I mean, any transition from the employee mindset. Being used to that, to now transitioning to an entrepreneur where you don't get paid for showing up. You don't get paid for the time you put in for the
Erin Vogt: No.
Norbert Orlewicz: put in. I mean, you gotta create a result.
What were some of the biggest challenges? What do you, what do you think are some of the biggest challenges that coaches go through? 'cause there's a lot of coaches that we work through who are going through this transition right now, or have gone through this transition. They're coming out of corporate, they're coming out of a job. Now they're now looking at growing their own coaching business. What are some of the big challenges that you faced and some of the big lessons that you learned in that process?
Erin Vogt: Uh, the biggest one was. Time management and you know, when you have a corporate job or a nonprofit job, or I'll just say nine to five, right? You generally know what you're doing with your time. When you are sitting down at your desk and you realize that you have your appointments and you're planning things out, or you maybe have your meetings and even have lunch breaks for that matter.
When you have your own business, you're working from home and you don't have someone. Guiding you with your time. I think, I think that was the biggest one for me. It didn't hit me till about year three that I realized, you know, time blocking was something that I used to run away from. Um, and I was really good on like pushing the deadlines.
Right. You know, you got a event coming up and, and researching and, and planning things out, and you have like weeks to do it, but then it's like crunch time and it's almost this dopamine hit. What I realized is the front loading of a lot of the planning and then learning how to keep track of what you did with your time for one, but then also keeping track of what you create.
I think a lot of people struggle with actually knowing I. What they've already done and not reinventing it and also getting frustrated. And I know you're all about this, is you can't try it once or twice and if it doesn't work, stop, you know, quit pivoting. I think a lot of the time we get into it 'cause we wanna faster result, so we just pivot way too fast.
And the other thing I will say, I was over coached.
Norbert Orlewicz: Ooh, let's talk about that. What do you mean by that?
Erin Vogt: So in the year 2022, I got into a group coaching program with a, like a, it was a high ticket. Coach. Um, she was actually out of Florida. Now. I learned a lot from her. It was a good experience, but at the same time, I was also in my schooling doing a mastery certification. And so there was coaching on top of that, right?
Just little sessions here and there, plus your schooling. Then I got into, um, a leadership program at the same time. So I had this contract with this coach. I had been doing Health Coach Institute and then I also was doing, it was called Boston Breakthrough Academy. It was really incredible. So multiple coaches as a part of that, and peers.
Right. And I'm an extrovert and I love people. Plus we were in complete chaos here in Canada. And so I had everybody's voices. Coming at me. And so what I recognized Norbert, is that I wasn't listening to my own inner knowing, my calm knowing. I now have an amazing coach, Matt, Travis. And yourself. And, and Brian.
And James and Megan. And it's amazing to see the different dynamics of what the coaching is. Now you guys coach on different things, but working with Matt, Travis even the last year helped me 'cause I only had one. And the other thing is because I started working with a man, I'd never done that. And he is exceptional working with mompreneurs.
But when you're over coached. You don't know what your thoughts are. You're, you're trying to please your coach, or you are trying to wrestle with what they told you versus this coach told you versus what you actually wanna do. And so I don't know if anyone is in that position right now because people are constantly showing sponsored ads, especially with A DHD.
You might be squirreling, you might be looking at new opportunities because it's fun. Right, and you always think there's something better. So watch if you're being over coached right now and be okay with saying no and park things for a season.
Norbert Orlewicz: That is such valuable information. 'cause I've seen that happen to clients. I've experienced it myself actually as
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: And one of the things that I'm always cautious of as a coach as well, I don't like calling myself a coach 'cause I think I'm more of a
Erin Vogt: You're.
Norbert Orlewicz: and guide mentor. I. Um, per se, but I'm always very cautious.
I always wanna know if my clients are working with other coaches because I wanna be really cautious about, um. Saying something that's completely opposite to the guidance they're getting from somebody
Erin Vogt: Yep.
Norbert Orlewicz: I always wanna understand their context. What are you receiving from the other coach? Because I wanna, if I'm gonna go against it, I want to give you very good reasons for why I'm going against it. And otherwise I wanna try to support the work that you're doing with your other coach instead of going against it. And what I find with a lot of clients is that they kind of feel like they're cheating on you if they're with another
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: And so they don't tell you about it. Oh, I'm, I'm also with this other coach over here, but I don't wanna talk about, and I think it's really important to have that open communication.
You wanna think about if you are, if you are working with multiple coaches, think about them as a team.
Erin Vogt: Yep.
Norbert Orlewicz: Your, your team, and you've hired them as your team,
Erin Vogt: Yep.
Norbert Orlewicz: they should be working together to support you. Not against each other. And unfortunately I think I've seen that far too often. I'm glad that you brought that up.
'cause that's a really interesting thing to, to, to really consider. that note, you talk about distraction, squirrel, social media, all the messages that we see. Let's talk about a DD for a second. A DH, D. So this is something that for me, I'll be honest, I've always been very cynical of,
Erin Vogt: Mm-hmm.
Norbert Orlewicz: I always just saw it as a label. And it's never something that I would ever have labeled myself with until my teenage daughter started to educate me a little bit about this. Um, and she is diagnosed a DHD, and she started to share with me her experiences and connect with me with my experiences. And she's like, dad, you're totally a DD.
Like, this is, it doesn't matter if you don't wanna labor yourself that like you are, this is, this is what you have to deal with. So. Now I start to have a bit more of an appreciation under and an understanding why is it important for somebody with A DHD to recognize that they have it, especially as an adult and especially as an entrepreneur.
Erin Vogt: I love this question. Because I'm not somebody who's gonna be on there with the fancy TikTok reels and you know, rah rah, A DHD, and all the hacks. What I am about is helping people understand that there are inherent strengths that you have. There's a reason that you've been wildly successful Norbert in business, and you're gregarious and you're risk taker and all of the things, right?
And those are the types of creative qualities that we really shine in. And when we can corral those distractible parts of ourselves and, and get on track, um, it's really incredible to see how many people in the world. From a creative lens, have. Identified with A DHD. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Hollywood to be honest with you, but if you take a look at how do you put together a movie, how do you act, how do you do any of that?
And, and you're able to just spontaneously adapt so quickly. And the other really great thing that I notice is I always make jokes in my cla um, client sessions is someone will be telling me something and the question that comes to mind relates to a book that I read, say in. 2012 and it's on my bookshelf.
And for some reason what they're talking about, I'm like, hold on, and I'll just go grab the book and I'll pull it out. Like this book I read by Dan Clark from like My Network Marketing Days, the Art of Significance. And I just, it's weird. I can't remember if I shut my darn straightener off, but I can remember that dude stuff over there.
And so. The impact that that has for your copy, for your content creation, but also for your client support and your delivery process is unmatched. My husband is a full analyst. He is as linear as it gets. He's actually a property assessor. He lives in maps and templates and legal jargon, and does negotiation of contracts and is not a people person.
I'm like, give me a podcast any day. I'll talk about any topic under the sun. Give me someone on the street. I will talk to them. You know, I can, I've always said I can make friends with plants. Like I literally have no problem talking to people. And the thing that was missing for me was confidence because I kept making mistakes in my life.
And then I would spin in circles and then I would feel really bad about it, and I'm like, I'm just a dummy. Even today, I, I made a screw up on my funnel and my friend Katie's just like, I'm gonna repeat this to you. You're not a dummy. It's just, it happens, right? But it's so easy to go down that cycle because as a kid, I had to mask it all the time that I knew what the heck people were saying I got through high school going like this.
Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. My friends got me through math on the bus, driving to school, and I still was just like, don't get it. My brain is not that way, but I could write essays. I could do papers. I write story poems about people's lives. I've done toast to the bride speeches. I've done eulogies for all my grandparents.
That stuff came to me within minutes. But ask me something really commonsensical and I felt like a loser. And so when I got into business, I was like, I'm real good with people. I don't know if I'm necessarily persuasive, but I can market other people's stuff and promote them till the cows come home. But promoting my own work and my own blood, sweat and tears is the hardest thing I've ever done.
Norbert Orlewicz: Wow. You've brought up kind of a, a few things there that I see come up over and over again as challenges for a lot of coaches and online entrepreneurs. Self-doubt and confidence being one. Well, I want to get back to that.
Erin Vogt: Hmm.
Norbert Orlewicz: what you just said right there, um, is really huge as well, because especially as coaches, we are promoting ourselves. if you've transitioned from an employee position as a job where you work for somebody else and now you have to sell yourself. 'cause that's what we're doing as coaches, sorry to tell you, but we're selling ourselves, right? Like our service, our value to the marketplace.
Erin Vogt: Yeah,
Norbert Orlewicz: Our business will die or thrive based on our ability to do that.
Erin Vogt: totally.
Norbert Orlewicz: that completely rests in our confidence in ourselves.
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: And if we're constantly dealing with self-doubt and the screw ups and the issues and the challenges that we have, that just seems like a world of emotional chaos
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: I'm sure you lived through many, many years. And I'm sure a lot of people listening can relate to as well.
How do we navigate that and how do we get out of that? Can we.
Erin Vogt: Yeah. I. Chaos is such a great word. I've actually made my whole brand around it is simplifying the chaos because guess what? Chaos is gonna exist. And when you have, I call it a busy, beautiful brain. I want you to see that it's always gonna be busy. It's gonna be chaotic. You're gonna have so many distractions at your beck and call.
Like right now I'm looking at the camera. I'm in this moment present here with you, and I'm still thinking, I'm like, oh, I didn't take meat out of the freezer. Right. Like, my foot's itchy, my dog's gonna bark any second now. But I'm like so into the conversation, right? But my clients, they can tell that I deeply listen and it's, it's a different level of listening that you have when you're really into and hyper-focused into something.
The thing is, we're masters at multitasking, right? But when that is not given boundaries, your thoughts are all over the map, right? So what. Also can happen with that is you could be doing something that is off the charts amazing. And it's like, you know when you see comment sections and there's about 95% of the comments are really positive about something, and there's that jerk that pops in.
It's like a troll. When you have A-D-H-D-I find, and the research I've done about this is that we're sensitive to that 5% troll. We don't see the 95% as. Hey, great job. Keep going. Right? We focus on what we didn't do, and so what? There's my dog var, 'cause my husband's on his way home. So when that happens, you have two choices.
You have, you can make a meaning about it and be like. Well, I clearly suck, or this is never gonna get any better or blah, blah, blah, and I'm just gonna eat a bunch of Oreos and, um, sit and watch these reels and dog reels for the rest of the day. Or you can find your crew. I have a bestie and she and I share absolutely everything about our day.
We're accountable to each other. We kick each other's butts all the time. That's why you have a coach too, but you have to know why you're doing it, and it's not like. I wouldn't say it's the why about your business, it's the why about that moment and that project. Right? Right now I'm just in funnel mode and it's easy to be like, f it, I'm outta here.
I just wanna take time off and not do these email sequences. Like I, I literally had a breakdown yesterday trying to do these email sequences. Katie walked me through it 'cause I'm just not good at it. But I'm really good at other things and I'm like, okay, if I can get this done, this is my foundation, then I can move on to my zone of genius or I can look at delegating it.
And if we can get to that point where we can start to delegate tasks that we really are not our zone of genius. I, I, that's, I've, I've gotten there, I've had some work with a va. Um, and that's exciting. It kind of makes me happy that okay. I don't have to do the 16 hats anymore. Like maybe only have to wear four, or sorry, maybe I can give up wave four and only wear 12.
Norbert Orlewicz: Right. How important, is it, because I talk about this all the time, you know, focusing on your strengths, focusing on your talents. 'cause we in, in personal growth and you've done all the personal growth as well. We talk so much about pushing yourself outta the comfort zone, which I get and that's really important. But at the same time, when I look at the successes that I've had. It's always been when I've been able to focus on my strengths, gifts, talents, and abilities. And so how important is that and what was your journey for discovering what those strengths were so that you know where you're best suited and, and the activities that you know are gonna get you the best results.
Erin Vogt: Such a great question. Um, you know, feedback I. Is really valuable because sometimes in our head we think our zone of genius is, maybe not, maybe it's because it's an assumed thing or what we wish it was, but I've kind of looked at it as, okay, from the feedback that I've gotten over the years, um, what, what is my zone of genius?
You know, and, and what element of coaching do I really excel in? What area of my business do I need more help in? And the thing is. I mean, I go, and I'm sure you go by this most of your life too, in anything is the 80 20 rule, right? So if I can be 80% secure in how I'm handling things, how I'm handling, you know, life at home as a mom, how, you know, we're not starving, I'm making decent meals, or at least we're delegating those tasks.
My kids help out a lot. That makes me feel successful. Right. And then the other 20% when you're just kind of off your game or things aren't happening as fast, or you're having a lo a slower month, uh, financially, but you have something to look forward to. That's the other thing I know, I hope to not get off track on this, but I always have to have something to look forward to my whole life.
That's been the thing, right? You knew like if you had a camping trip coming up that. You could get through this hurdle, right? If I didn't have something to look forward to, it was a, it was a grind. Like it was just like, Ugh, I just hated it. Because I know that, hey, if I do all this backend work for this darn workshop, by the time the workshop comes, yeah, promotion period's kind of scary.
But I love delivering workshops. I'm really good at it. I love, love, love the people I get to meet. I know I can do amazing in my sales calls and my follow ups. That's the part I'm excited about. But in order to get there, I have to do the lead at pork for it. Does that make sense?
Norbert Orlewicz: So you gotta focus on that thing that you do like doing, which is the actual workshop, delivering it, even though there's all the grunt work to get to get towards that, right? Yeah. with a DHD, let's talk about that for a second. 'cause, um, you know, you, you bring up the multitasking and, and all of that and, and the squirrel.
And I can relate to all of this, the cre, the wild creativity. I mean, I have like a thousand ideas every single
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: working with A DHD entrepreneurs. Um. What are some of the things that we really have to look out for? what are the things that are gonna hold us back that are gonna prevent us from creating the results and the success that we desire?
Erin Vogt: So I study positive intelligence. The saboteurs and the saboteurs of the avoider is the big one. They will avoid. Contacting their coach, they'll avoid the homework that they have not necessarily done. They will, because there's this deep seated kind of subconscious, I'm not good enough stuff that pops up.
And so I, I know those patterns. Avoidance, um, they don't want to let you down so they don't necessarily commit to the big. Stretches, whereas other people maybe are just really goal driven, right? Um, so avoidance is one. The other one is pleasing. They tell you what you wanna hear. I've done that so much in my life and various people.
Um, pleasing is a big one we work on with that saboteur. The other one is the stickler, which they tend to get defensive around. Um, constructive feedback. The stickler is there as a defense mechanism because it's kind of that perfection angle too, so people could get caught up in Canva for weeks. I'm not one of them.
Norbert Orlewicz: That's never happened to you.
Erin Vogt: You're like, where's that funnel, Larry? Um, because it's more comfortable, right? So whatever is not predictable or certain, we're just kind of like, well, I just gotta go over here where I really enjoy being. Um, the other thing is not setting really, uh, definitive goals. I have that issue sometimes with some of my clients.
It's, it's not that they don't think they can do it. They're afraid to put a, a deadline to it. They're nervous,
Norbert Orlewicz: there a fear of commitment there with that,
Erin Vogt: I think.
Norbert Orlewicz: that more the fear of rejection?
Erin Vogt: I think it's more, I don't think it's a fear of commitment. I think it is fear of rejection and also fear of success. Definitely. Fear of success is what I've faced. I know that for a fact. 'cause I know. I'm really good at sales for anything that isn't my own stuff and but yet, when I tried the network marketing world, I was always told, I'm like, what is that hangup?
Right? The confidence angle has to be there, and it wasn't necessarily the issue of the product or the company. It was more the confidence of me, right? And so I find that a lot of women, especially in service-based businesses, will undercharge. That's another thing to watch for. Um, and I myself have definitely gone through that because it's also easy to do, give away what you love to do, right?
I love talking. I love helping people. I love hanging out in dms and coaching people and supporting them and being in a shoulder for them. It's been my, my whole life, and now I have to charge for it. Like, that's a whole other mindset. And as much coaching as I've done, it's still, it's not secondhand for me, you know?
To have that conversation around the offer. Um, I've definitely increased my sales conversions massively. Um, but it's not, it's not easy. Do you know what I'm saying? To push the trigger on that.
Norbert Orlewicz: Right. Now, so you work a lot with systems habits and you, on your website you say chaos that you can handle. So when you're working with a client that's, you know, dealing with their A DHD brain, are some practical things that we can do to create a little bit less chaos in our daily business life?
Erin Vogt: Uh, great question. I really like to get a sense, almost from an audit of, okay, where's the digital clutter in your business? Is it to do with your Google Drive? Perhaps? There's tons of files everywhere and stuff that you've already done. You're not aware of it. Is it your email inbox? Is it, uh, your desktop?
Is it your Canva? Um, 'cause digital clutter, what I find is that it's easy to just compound the chaos of that, meaning you start to build something and then you just throw it in. Randomly and you're, you're not even sure how to categorize it. So how do you find it? So you spend a lot of time in your search bar.
You spend a lot of time in your sent items of your inbox. I know I sent this to a client, this contract template for my new, my new client. It, it's gotta be somewhere, right? And when I discovered Asana, I started using it 'cause I was doing some part-time VA work. Um, and I realized, I was like, oh, this could be a one-stop shop for all of these things that I've done and, and, and information I wanna get.
You know, you copy things off a chat GPT and you can put them in there. I lose track. I. A lot of things in files. I've spent plenty of time trying to create binders. My clients will say, I've got notebooks, I've taken tons of notes. I've done all these workshops and trainings, and I'm just like, what do you have to show for it?
Right? When you don't have a, a system in place of how to keep track of your information that you've taken in and consumed, plus information that's going out. That is straight chaos. And so I like to work from the office and business standpoint of that to helping them just get a clear understanding and build their confidence over maybe even their email to start with.
And then from a house perspective, I'm gonna say it's the kitchen big one. Um,
meal planning is not unless you really love it and that's your thing. Struggle. We don't necessarily have to eat on time. A lot of us are snackers. I mean, yeah, I have a family, but to be honest, my husband does a lot of the cooking and my daughter's 13 now. She'll help out with things, but I'm not somebody that I had to teach myself how to really become good at that.
It's not in my nature to just naturally have the ability to be like, okay, well every Sunday we're gonna make banana muffins and plaque them for the lunches. Right? You have to be intentional around that. So. Teaching people with A DHD, first of all, they can have the confidence to do it.
They can make the time to do it. Yes you can and you can ask for help and, and delegate and figure that out within your family. It's amazing the conversations that I have with my clients recently, actually inside A DHD Success Sisterhood, um, my group program. We're just talking about things, about even having the conversation with your kids, letting them know your why behind what you're doing, but also where can they step in and help out with the little things, and not just chores, but especially around meals, you know, making their own lunches.
My daughter's nine, my and 13. I don't really make a lot of lunches anymore. Even my 9-year-old, she'll buckle down and do hers. Um, and. My 13-year-old will on Sunday, she just pulls out the containers and puts her strawberries and cauliflower and sandwiches in there and we have salads made up and she's, and they're all in the fridge.
She's the one that does not have a DHD my other one does. And but it's cool to see those habits that we can just form over time, right. Time blocking them in. The other thing is not being afraid of time. I'm trying to teach my clients. I used to be really afraid of time Norbert because I was like rush all the time, like I'm always five minutes late.
No, you choose that, right?
Norbert Orlewicz: That's, that's sometime I'm, I'm very time challenged myself as well in one of these personality tests that I took. Um, time was one of my, was the weakest
Erin Vogt: Mm-hmm.
Norbert Orlewicz: And it's like I let my wife, you know, when we have to leave at a certain time, I just go on her clock. It's like, when are we leaving babe? Because we're gonna be late if we go on my time. Always challenged around time.
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: So, uh, another question that I have for you is, I wanna go back to the self-confidence and, uh, and self, sorry. The self-doubt. Lemme try that again. Okay. I wanna go back to you. Okay. I wanna go back to this topic about self-doubt and confidence that we mentioned kind of earlier. Um, because this is a, a challenge that I've seen with clients a lot as well. It's so easy. There's so many different things that you have to do in your business, and it's so easy to make mistakes. It's so easy. Um, many times we fail. Like, as an entrepreneur, you're gonna fail many more times than you succeed.
Erin Vogt: Absolutely.
Norbert Orlewicz: I. That's a rule, right? And if that affects you negatively, which it does for so many people, like I've built up a thick skin now 20 years as an entrepreneur. Um, but for many people I see that a lot of these little mistakes, little things that don't work up. You know, like they put out a web, put out a webinar, and nobody shows up, right?
For me, that's not a big deal anymore 'cause I've done so many of them. But if that happens to you on your first time, I see so many people just crumble, right? They have one conversation that goes bad, they just crumble. How do we deal with, because we're gonna have so many more failures than we are successes. So how can we build up our confidence when we have so many things shooting down and increasing our self-doubt? You see what I'm saying?
Erin Vogt: Totally. I think we don't recognize how much we are accomplishing because. I, I've heard one of my clients, she's fantastic. She's a CEO of a cleaning company, and she's one of these people loves Lis and she'll do something and then write it down just to check it off, right? So I think about, um, if you're a mom, I want you to really recognize how much you've done today.
Just today, I mean, you probably ended up getting yourself up, your kids up. Maybe you had some sort of a workout or did a audio or reading of some sort, and you got your kids to school, you got everyone fed. Um, you dealing with traffic perhaps, I don't know if your office is away from home or. You are dealing with so many fires that you're putting out, plus you're creating something that hasn't happened before.
Right. And I, I often think about a business of any capacity, and, and Matt, my coach, always is talking about, you know, if you think about this mouse here, and someone came up with the idea of. Like an ergonomic mouse at one point, or a mouse pad, or you know, these types of glasses. At one point, this was maybe an idea on a napkin.
Right. All these people have come up with these ideas and we have these abilities to recognize that we're creating something for the marketplace. It's never existed before, and that in itself should be a confidence boost because it's not the normy way to live, let's just say it. Entrepreneurs have a, we're different ducks, like we just see things differently that we're like.
I see an issue, this is missing, or I have this passion and this challenge, and I've overcome this and I wanna help other people so that they don't struggle as much as me. I think that we can boost our confidence by simply stepping in and looking at, okay, where have I come from? Even if you and I do a lot of reflection exercises in my coaching, I'm like, Hey, even the last week.
Celebrate your wins. Not just woo woo rah rah, but like truly look at what you've done,
Norbert Orlewicz: Yeah.
Erin Vogt: right? Some people, I've done meetup groups in the past. We had an entire conversation. I. About the infamous issues of, you know, something that you know you need to do, but you just keep putting it off and it's almost a scary thing.
And I'm telling you this one meetup we did was about a woman that had this fork on her floor, and we talked about it as a group for almost 45 minutes about like the thing. Right. Mine used to be the vacuum that was in the living room, and I knew I could just easily move it in two minutes, but for some reason it was a hangup.
And so we tell ourselves that we can't do all these things and it's actually not true. Right? So a system that I use, this is a super simple, but we air dry our dishes when we wash them. Leave them overnight. The number one thing I do is while I'm making breakfast in the morning or making the kids lunch, there's always that lead time of say, your toast is in the toaster for two and a half minutes.
How many dishes can you put away in that time into your cupboard? It's a game, right? How fast can you unload your dishwasher, folks like you can have fun with this, or I'll do like jump squats while I'm waiting for my. Water to boil for my tea or something. Like I just gamify it and then I feel successful because it's like, ooh, it's like a mini win, right?
Norbert Orlewicz: that the, is that the multitasking part of you creeping in? Because that feels like me multitasking in trying to cram too many things into one activity.
Erin Vogt: It's, but I've actually made a system of it because now I know that if I have the toaster Aon for three and a half minutes. Instead of scrolling my phone or just standing there like this, I can like, oh my gosh, how many things can I get done in that time? And it actually, it's fun, right? Or you put on a timer and you play a song.
I think we just, it's monotonous stuff, but if you can make it fun and then your, your mind is reminded of that. Like, I know on Sundays that I water my plants now used to let them always die. I don't know what it is about Sunday, but I'm just, we chatting with my husband, you know, like pull out the watering can and that's my thing.
Right. Sunday nights are for that. Um, and it used to be that I don't have time. No, that's not true.
Norbert Orlewicz: Yeah. No, that's not true. So, I mean, you're talking about habits,
Erin Vogt: Habits big time.
Norbert Orlewicz: about creating new habits. So how do you intentionally, what, what's your strategy for intentionally creating these habits for your clients? 'cause obviously that's, that's part of your, your process, your framework that you work with clients
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: creating these habits.
What are some, can you give us some tips on how we can create some of these new and healthier habits?
Erin Vogt: Well, from a habit theory, when you think back to it, it actually stems from your thoughts. Right, so you've gotta get it right in your thoughts that, first of all, that's where the intention comes. 'cause we know that thoughts lead to emotions. Emotions lead to action, actions, behavior, and our behaviors, our habits, habits happen over time.
It's not necessarily about creating the habit, it's about creating the action versus inaction. That's the way I look at it. So then you do that enough times, you get a feedback loop in your head saying that's, that feels pretty good when I do that. Right. You know, taking your vitamins. Can it become a habit?
Yeah, actually you can get those little things. You don't have to be like a senior citizen to do it, but you can get those little pill holders.
Norbert Orlewicz: it.
Erin Vogt: And I have one from Melaleuca. Right. And it's awesome 'cause they're like, each day it's got them on there. So I'll just, I don't know, Sunday night or Saturday if I'm just standing chatting.
I was like, pull out all the things and put them in. I'm like, I might take them five days that week, otherwise I might take them one if I just freefall it. Right. So. I don't know how to say it without the thought process starting it. It's not gonna happen, but I'm telling myself there's a payoff. What's the payoff at the other end of doing this?
There's gotta be something. I think it comes from the gym for me, because who truly wants to get up at minus 30 CELs as at five in the morning and drive to the gym with glasses on and getting dressed in the dark? And then doing a ton of pushups and getting yelled at. There's a payoff for it after. Right.
And then it's become a habit for me because I've INS intentionally made that a choice.
Norbert Orlewicz: Yeah. Interesting. And I, and I, I find that a lot with people that. That are able to build up a fitness habit,
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: tends to then influence other areas of their life where they're more effective at creating habits. It's
Erin Vogt: A hundred percent.
Norbert Orlewicz: build a solid habit in one area of your life, there's a better chance that you can build those smaller habits in other areas of your life.
So it's just getting the momentum in one thing and getting the successes in
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: thing to build up your confidence perhaps.
Erin Vogt: That's one of the biggest adages I learned in Health Coach Institute 'cause I, it was actually a habit change. Program I took and they just said, the way you do one thing is the way you do all things. And if you think about that with procrastination, it kind of rings a bell. But if you also think about that, like how you seek joy or how you seek comfort, how you do one thing is how you do all things.
And you can actually take a look at different parts of your, your behaviors in your day, in your week, and recognize. Huh, isn't that interesting? Just noticing, not judging it, just noticing why is it that I keep avoiding email, but yet I don't mind social media and I love it. Right. Well, and there's always linkages.
It's the meaning that you're making about it. For me, I don't love sleazy dms and sleazy emails, so I totally avoided dms for the longest time. 'cause I'm like, I can't be one of those people. Right. But my DM strategy is I do voice notes with people. I show up in there and I'm just like, Hey, you know, I,
Norbert Orlewicz: which feeds into and supports your, your bubbly personality, your people,
Erin Vogt: yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: you like to socialize with people, so you feel like you're socializing more when you're leaving voice notes rather than typing
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: messages.
Erin Vogt: And it stands out. Most people respond to that like, whoa, can't believe that you, like,
Norbert Orlewicz: Yeah.
Erin Vogt: person in New York is hearing from this person in Alberta randomly. But, um, and there's a short, but I mean, if I see something, I just show up in people's dms all the time and do that. The other thing I do, I love to connect people.
That makes me happy, right? Mm-hmm. And that's what it's all about, collaboration, connection. And Katie did an amazing workshop on just that or popup event last Friday on that. But I've always been that person that just. If I can connect the dots for this person and, and this person and, and just join them together, I'll just show up in the dms and like, you need to meet.
But that makes me happy. That actually feels significant for me because I know that I'm meant to be a connector. So I may be sucking on like the email consistency part, but hey, I did some wicked connecting today. That really feels great. And I just realized I'm, I just said wicked. That's such a nineties kid thing.
Wicked awesome.
Norbert Orlewicz: Takes me back to the eighties. Um, alright, let's, let's talk one, one last question here and then we gotta wrap it up. I just, I'm just looking at the time, realizing how, how far over we're, we're getting.
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: do you think, we're going to go back in a different direction here a little bit. What do you think is the hardest part of being a coach that nobody talks about? Um, there's, you know, we, we struggle and many coaches struggle on their own in silence,
Erin Vogt: Yep.
Norbert Orlewicz: know, in their own business. So let's talk about these things because I think it's really important. do you think is one of the hardest things of being a coach?
Erin Vogt: It's intangible. That's my answer. It's intangible. When you're in mindset coaching or life coaching, first of all, nobody knows what the heck that means. And so if you don't get your messaging and your marketing figured out and hang out with people like Norbert and Digital mentors, uh, it sucks because you're gonna spin wheels and people are not gonna know what you're talking about.
I've niched into systems with A DHD, um, in this last year. Because I realized that no one's pulling out their. Wallet to help them with their mindset and, and you gotta know what's in it for them. I think the hardest part is that coaches come into it. 'cause we have really big hearts. We've got an overcomer story.
We're super passionate and yet we're not taught how to build a business with it. Realistically. There's a lot of fluff out there, there's a lot of BS out there, but there's also people who are really solid in helping you understand like, you gotta get a message and you gotta. Distinguish yourself. The hard part though, is you have to start and know what you actually wanna niche into.
So I started out, guess what? My Facebook group was called at the start Creating Freedom for Women,
Norbert Orlewicz: Classic. I love
Erin Vogt: but my meetup community. I had so many people in my meetup community, I had like over a thousand. It was nuts, but it was so generic. What the heck does that mean? Right? And so I've slowly niched, I've kind of got my funnel right going on, but you gotta give them what they want and they want a tangible result to start with.
Yes, I'm gonna teach you how to get your sheet pen meals figured out in your systems, figured out in your life. But I'm really gonna help you with your subconscious beliefs and your limiting. Beliefs going on in the backend, right? That's where the real juices I love to coach around, but you gotta get in the door.
And coaches I think are fed this giant lie, especially from coaching schools that like the business side of it is not emphasized nearly enough. We spend way more time on the coaching theory, and I know I fell into that trap. That's the honest. Thing. And I see some peers come in and bless their hearts, they're trying, but they're also really caught up in imposter syndrome and they're not willing to step in to try things and fail before and the investment and not having an income.
It's really challenging because then they're like, I'm not actually making it, but yet I have to show this face that I am. And when you're online, that's not authentic. I think that's one of the biggest challenges, Norbert, that I've overcome in the last five years is being okay with my authentic voice, even in my ups and downs.
Norbert Orlewicz: Hmm. Yeah. That's really good. Aaron, this has been fantastic. Thank you so much for being here and, uh, and for sharing with us your, your journey, your challenges.
Erin Vogt: Yeah.
Norbert Orlewicz: Your wins and your victories. And, uh, just tell really quickly for everybody where can they connect with you. We're gonna have all your links in the, in the, uh, description and in the show notes as well. Um, but where can they get perhaps one of your, uh, lead magnets, your opt-in gift, uh, where can they connect with you?
Erin Vogt: I am primarily on Facebook folks, so you can find me, Erin Vo, uh, VOGT. I usually have a pink shirt on in my profile. And, um, I love the dms, um, and love to chat, connect calls, coffee chats, all the things I love to collaborate. Um, if you happen to work with mompreneurs, especially and or in the world of. DHD or anything to do with mental wellness?
Um, I'm game and I would love to, uh, to meet you.
Norbert Orlewicz: Awesome. Thank you Erin. This has been a really great conversation. Thanks so much for coming on the show,
Erin Vogt: You're welcome.
Norbert Orlewicz: your insights. We will live, leave all the links, like I said in the description and uh, in the show notes as well.
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Erin Vogt: Yes.
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